What does Southeast Asia really think about the state of the region, and of ASEAN? That’s the question at the heart of The State of Southeast Asia 2025 survey — it’s a unique gauge of sentiment from the region’s policymakers, academics, civil society, and private sector leaders. With the US and China doubling down on their influence, where does that leave ASEAN? And what role will Malaysia play as ASEAN Chair this year? On this episode of #ConsiderThis Melisa Idris speaks with Joanne Lin, Senior Fellow and Co-coordinator of the ASEAN Studies Centre at the ISEAS-Yusof Ishak Institute in Singapore. She is the co-author of the ‘State of Southeast Asia Survey’ 2025.