Support the show:<br />https://www.patreon.com/branham <br /><br />Available on Spotify, Google, and Apple Podcasts:<br />https://william-branham.org/podcast <br /><br />Weaponized Religion: From Christian Identity to the NAR:<br />Paperback: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1735160962<br />Kindle: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DCGGZX3K<br /><br />John and Bob discuss the psychological, spiritual, and emotional complexities of leadership failure within modern religious systems, especially those rooted in deliverance ministry culture. Drawing from personal experience, including their involvement in the rise of Kansas City Fellowship and later counseling roles, they reflect on the lack of accountability structures, the pursuit of affirmation and significance, and the dangers of narcissism in top-down church models. The conversation reveals how brokenness, inner struggles, and unresolved trauma often drive individuals into positions of leadership, where they are both idolized and isolated—making failure almost inevitable.<br /><br />The conversation also addresses the broader cultural shifts in Christianity, including the rise and fall of megachurches, scandals from the 1980s to the present, and the recurring cycles of ministerial burnout and moral collapse. They critique the corporate church structure for fostering performance-driven personas disconnected from genuine community and accountability. Bob introduces the concept of “The Joseph Company” as a response to this crisis, working with leaders who have hit bottom and are seeking restoration. The dialogue emphasizes the importance of humility, teachability, and relational healing as the only sustainable path forward for both leaders and followers.<br /><br />00:00 Introduction<br />01:09 Understanding Perspective Through Conflict and Feedback<br />06:06 Black-and-White Thinking and the Struggle for Moral Clarity<br />13:04 Bob’s Ministry Background and the Roots of Disillusionment<br />17:02 Scandals of the 1980s and the Human Side of Failure<br />23:07 The Real Reasons Leaders Enter Ministry<br />29:57 Deliverance Culture and the Illusion of Instant Healing<br />37:05 Midlife Collapse, Burnout, and the Need for Counseling<br />43:13 Hero Worship and Congregational Complicity<br />50:01 Leadership, Accountability, and the Absence of Humility<br />54:33 The Business Model of Church and Narcissistic Structures<br />59:34 A Return to Simplicity, Relationship, and Inner Renewal<br /> <br />______________________<br />– Support the channel: https://www.patreon.com/branham<br />– Subscribe to the channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBSpezVG15TVG-lOYMRXuyQ<br />– Visit the website: https://william-branham.org<br />– Follow on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/WilliamBranhamOrg <br />– Follow on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@william.m.branham<br />– Follow on Twitter: https://twitter.com/wmbhr<br />– Buy the books: https://william-branham.org/site/books
