John and Chino discuss the rise of the five-fold ministry teaching and its impact on religious movements, starting with personal experiences and false predictions within Hobart Freeman’s ministry. They explore the inconsistencies in early prophecies, such as the case of Bruce Kinsey, and how failed predictions were later ignored or explained away. Their conversation highlights how unfulfilled expectations often sank like quicksand, disappearing from memory while leaders continued promoting the system.<br /><br />The discussion broadens to examine the restorationist claim of reviving lost ministry offices, contrasting biblical foundations with modern self-appointed leaders. John and Chino reflect on Freeman’s shifting recognition of figures like Branham, Osborne, and Hagen, eventually denouncing those he once upheld. They also review the legendary “apostle from Denmark” story and its flaws. In closing, they emphasize the historical role of true apostles and prophets in laying the foundation of the early church, contrasting it with today’s claims, which lack biblical and historical grounding.<br /><br />00:00 Introduction<br />00:31 The Five-Fold Ministry as a Pyramid Scheme<br />02:02 Hobart Freeman’s Prophecy Over Bruce Kinsey<br />06:08 Prophecy Turns Against Bruce<br />09:34 Cult Prophecies and the Quicksand Effect<br />13:02 False Prophets and Failed Predictions<br />15:24 The Rise of Prophecy Culture<br />19:06 Marketing Slogans Masquerading as Prophecy<br />19:39 Hobart Freeman’s Five-Fold Teaching<br />22:09 The Bubble Book and Early Excitement<br />25:14 Inconsistencies in Freeman’s Prophets<br />28:11 Hobart Freeman’s Early Examples<br />30:18 Contradictions with Kenneth Hagin and Kathryn Kuhlman<br />32:05 Where Are the True Five-Fold Ministers?<br />41:10 The Apostle from Denmark Story<br />50:23 The Evolution of Freeman’s Denmark Narrative<br />53:12 Why the Story Doesn’t Hold Up<br />55:12 Apostles, Prophets, and Mental Health Issues<br />58:05 Why Freeman Claimed Teacher Instead of Apostle<br />1:00:01 One-Fold Ministry Exposed<br />1:02:00 The False Prophet Visitor<br />1:02:46 Hobart Freeman’s Book on Body Ministry<br />1:04:03 The Foundation of Apostles and Prophets<br />1:05:19 Closing Thoughts and Warnings<br />______________________<br />Weaponized Religion: From Christian Identity to the NAR:<br />Paperback: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1735160962<br />Kindle: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DCGGZX3K<br />______________________<br />– Support the channel: https://www.patreon.com/branham<br />– Subscribe to the channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBSpezVG15TVG-lOYMRXuyQ<br />– Visit the website: https://william-branham.org<br />– Follow on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/WilliamBranhamOrg <br />– Follow on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@william.m.branham<br />– Follow on Twitter: https://twitter.com/wmbhr<br />– Buy the books: https://william-branham.org/site/books
